Twenty-five years ago, a New York court ruled that women have the same right as men do to go bare-chested in public places; ever since then, it has been legal for a woman to take her top off in any city park. Ten days ago, we continued our ongoing celebration of this milestone in equal rights, body freedom, and just plain common sense with a trip down to Nelson Rockefeller Park, barely a hop, skip and a swim away from the Statue of Liberty. A giant statue of a woman enshrining the principle of liberty! What could be more appropriate?
You’d think so. But apparently someone found the sight of our bare chests distressing — think of the children! — and called the police. And rather than just telling the complainer that there was nothing they could do since what we were doing was perfectly legal, the police came out to the park to talk to us. And not just one police officer, or two, or three, or four. Or five. Or six! Or, god help us, seven.
No, it took eight police officers, in full regalia, to investigate the menace posed by our uncovered nipples.
Eight! That’s enough cops to put down a riot, or to patrol eight neighborhoods that could benefit from an actual reduction in, you know. actual crime. But instead of doing what might colloquially be referred to as “their jobs,” these unmerry souls, bearing facial expressions better suited to a funeral than to a lovely summer’s day, came trundling over like the world’s grouchiest welcoming party.
We’ve gotten complaints, this is a public place, there are children around, we’re going to ask you courteously–
We appreciate the courtesy, we told them, but the answer is no. This a public place, as you say, and we have every right to do what we’re doing. And a right you can be pressured into not exercising is no right at all.
We also handed the officers a printout of the internal police memo from a few years back reminding all NYPD personnel that female toplessness is not a crime and that they are not to arrest any woman merely for baring her chest.
The result? Grudgingly, they acknowledged that we were right — and reluctantly, slowly they headed off.
It was a victory, no question about it. But why is it even necessary to have the battle?
From time to time people ask us, sometimes in an irritated tone, why we bother demonstrating for something we already have the legal right to do. What’s the point? You’ve already won! And that’s true. But at the same time, it’s not. It’s not nearly true enough, not yet. What it’ll take to make it true enough is more days out in the park like this one, a lot more, until finally no one casts a second glance in our direction.
The best victory is the one you don’t have to keep winning.
What will it take to make this madness end? This should never have been an issue at all, but since the dark side made it an issue, and it was legally dealt with, the nightmare continues. Utter insanity. Tim Rusling
Why bother demonstrating for a right you already have? The question is really off-base.
Would anyone ask the same question if this was freedom of speech or religion?
Actually, you’re just exercising that right.
Every win like that is another nail OUT of the coffin. Good going ladies…
The moment you stop, is the moment the right will go away! Keep up the good work!
Gee, eight police officers show up to investigate topless women in the park. I wonder what that’s all about. Think of the children? No way, think of the officers seizing the opportunity.
Amazing! Those buffoons! You’re right, you have to keep fighting until every female in the country is treated the same way a man does. It always the kids as if they’re being harmed. The kids don’t care unless the parents tell them junk. Keep up the good work!
Way to GO, People!! I STRONGLY applaud your steadfastness. I’ve been a naturist/nudist for years, and I’m ALWAYS amazed at how “important” making sure the human body is “covered” is considered, compared to the “less” important things like their attention is diverted away from like homelessness, and domestic violence control. “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!” indeed! The “children” don’t have a problem with it!
In a happier time we might have hoped so many cops responded just to see said nipples first-hand to confirm the infraction, and to protect the children, of course.
Some of us carry ACLU reminder cards for what to say and what not to say in such encounters. Your copy of the NYPD memo is much more useful.
Wow that’s messed up. You know they all know of you guys by now. I wonder why they decided to go that route this time. It’s hard not to think it’s not all part of the new Trumpian atmosphere. Scary.
No particular reason to think the cops were Trump supporters, and in fairness they didn’t seem overly happy to be charged with the task of talking to us. I think they knew that they were being sent on a hopeless mission. But then why did eight of them need to show up? Just to get a good look? It wasn’t frightening, since we knew we were in the right and what the outcome would be; but it was frustrating.
I’m glad they weren’t a-holes. Just wondering who was back at the office that decided now was a good time to try this.
I’m worried about all the empty judge positions Trump has to fill. Down here the Ocean City MD. situation has reached the point of inevitable court decision.
Eh. Anyway. Good work as usual.
Good on you!
I’m a bit sad to see New York’s finest need to be reminded of the law, but you stood your ground and the police officers left you to your business, so it’s a slight disruption and a good reminder of why you do what you do.
Also, I will appreciate if you added some book recommendations in your posts.. 😉
Keep up the good fight, ladies! Mostly for equality rights, but also for pulp fiction!
Well done. Keep up the good fight.
It is indeed a distressing circumstance having a squad of blue clad uniforms barreling down on a bunch of topless, happy women, enjoying the summer’s sun.
I still find it puzzling, fascinating and disturbing that a pair of bared nipples can warrant such reaction. Especially, in a town where corruption, crime, muggins and who knows what else is going on 24/7. Unreal!
But, I’m very glad that your article acknowledged the fact that the effort is not done. Not by a long shot!
The more women who ought to exercise their right, the more groups such as yours who would gather in public; the more accepted and normal it will become. Education and respect is the key.
I am a photographer and as such I see the human body from a different perspective. I see the beauty that is…US!
I wish you warm breezes, endless sunsets, joyful friendships and happy breasts!
Love you ladies and what you are doing. It is sad that you have to keep proving that what you do is legal and a right. Keep up the good work. Maybe from incidents like this other women will understand their rights and try using them.
I always wonder if those people who complain to “think of the children!”, give their babies gloves and blindfolds when they breastfeed them, because – you know! – nipples are so dangerous for the kids.
Unfortunately, life, people, society is like that. As for your last para, we do need to keep exercising our rights or we will lose them. You must exercise your right to go topless or be in danger of losing it. We in the UK and you in the US must exercise our human rights or be in danger of losing them. I suppose there is a limit though as can be seen with your gun laws.You have, I believe, the right to carry arms but does that mean you should?The amount of deaths of innocents from gun shots would suggest not but this isn’t the place to discuss this. But it is rather ironic, is it not, that you are quite free to walk the streets with weapons that kill yet people object to a bare female nipple. Verily the world is perverse.
I wish I had hit the lottery to send you ladies to Ocean City. They are in the fight now.
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Absolutely. The women of Maryland deserve better. Women everywhere do.
If someone mentions children, I suggest you tell them, “We don’t believe we’re harming children.”
Even though that’s obvious, the point should be made.
In Buffalo after my top free friend filled the gas tank three cop cars stopped us and the cop at my window laid that one on me. I told him they’re made for kids… He didn’t have anything to say except that the gas station didn’t want us back… Right… lol
Dear friends, here in Italy the situation is quite different than in NYC. Us, naturists, we risk every time an heavy sanction also if we stay naked in some remote areas even if dedicated historically to naturism!
Sanction from 6000 dollars above!
It’s not a penal affair but three years ago the government trying to get money in some ways decided to avoid penal processes but to put heavy money sanctions!
All the naturists support you and your rights!
Is it possible for you to post that memo? We’d like to have a copy for our use. Thank you.
Yes. It’s now in the post.
Question:
Police precincts are like little town-lettes and have their own command structures, etc. Of course they are all guided by the same overall city and state laws, but new officers come and go. It seems to me that commanders of each must get together from time to time with others at conventions or other gatherings to discuss procedures, issues, and other relevant topics of the day.
Is there a way to approach the central command in the NYPD to see if you could make a presentation at one of these gatherings ? Perhaps include a slide show that includes images like these, and discussing ways to disseminate knowledge of this law down the line to the guys/gals on the beat.
Tackling it at the highest level is where you’re going to get results. Otherwise this will happen repeatedly over and over all over the City. These eight officers just had a “Huh, well I’ll be” moment, and perhaps they’ll tell one or two friends/fellow officers at the squad house, but it won’t circulate much beyond there. The next shift won’t even know about it.
Heck, I’ll bet some of these officers weren’t even born when the law was approved. And whatever their upbringing about nudity, they’re just responding to a call. So the trick is, how to get knowledge inserted throughout the police community.
Just my two cents. While I enjoy your blog from time to time, isn’t the goal not to have to ever post on it again ?
Actually, the NYPD was ahead of us on this, and four summers ago read the very memo we showed the cops out loud to every member of the police force at roll call on (I think) ten consecutive days. And sure enough, harassment of women for sunbathing topless (and unlawful arrests) went way down. But that was two summers ago. It may be time to do it again.
You’d be hard pressed to get 8 police officers to a robbery,mugging and maybe even a shooting, but naked ladies !!! Oh yeah they’re all coming probably lights and sirens…lol
Good job ladies, know you’re rights and stick to your guns…..
Thank you, ladies. In fact though, I have to say that now you are not “demonstrating”, but simply exercising the return of your rights. Keep Calm and Carry On.
Q. How many police officers does it take to try to stop women exercising their legal right?
A. Eight – one to try to stop the women exercising their legal right, seven just to observe…
In fairness, they didn’t actually stop us. They only tried. So we haven’t really found out yet how many it would take…
There were a couple of responding female cops that I would have liked to see join the Topless Group you had there!! 🙂
It is entirely legal for you to trace this back and find out WHO did issue the order to the eight officers. I urge you to find that person and to have a mutual chat with him/her. Otherwise, I’d think this harassment will be a continuing event.
As always, the very best to each of you and all of you! 🙂
We appreciate how you feel about this, but finding out which random neighborhood busybody on Warren Street called the cops wouldn’t be very useful. We’re not down on Warren Street that often.
I will suggest again that you find out WHO ORDERED THE POLICE TO DESCEND ON YOU. I did NOT suggest finding out who issued the complaint. Find out WHICH policeman ordered the others out to investigate. THAT person needs to be confronted!!!
Ah — we misunderstood what it was you were suggesting. That might be more fruitful. But for now I think we’ll still skip it. We haven’t had but two or three incidents like this in seven summers. If we started to see an uptick, then we’d take action, but if it’s just that the police come to visit us every time we go to that particular park, it’s a more isolated problem.
This is a very poignant date, as it is exactly one year ago tonight (21st June 2016, 01.30) that our daughter (33) died, suddenly and unexpectedly. Although bright, she was a very shy young lady; lived alone, with few friends, but was a fanatic Beatles fan, had pet (‘Fancy’) rats, plus a Masters’ degree in English Lit. and the History of Art. However, to use your own phrase, she was definitely not ‘body confident’, which saddened my wife and I greatly, as from our perspective she was lovely, yet we felt that because of her lack of self-esteem she was missing out on many of the good things life had to offer.
Had she lived, I would have attempted to introduce her to your blog, simply to try and give her a fresh outlook on what happiness can be gained from being with a group of like-minded friends, with shared interests, whether it be a famous pop group, interesting pets, ‘pulp’ (or not so…) literature, or simply exercising your democratic and ‘equal’ legal rights to be happy and confident in just being you, whilst sharing the joy in the privilege of doing so.
Truly, you are an inspiration. Please keep just being you, and don’t let these silly police people spoil what you have achieved, and what you continue to enjoy. It is they who were in the wrong, and it is they who need to be educated. And, instead of ‘reluctantly’ and ‘grudgingly’ accepting what you told them before wandering off, it is they who should have apologised.
As Yoda so eloquently put it in The Empire Strikes Back, “You [i.e. they] must unlearn what you have learned!”
John C. (Dr)
UK
I follow your blog and fully support what you women are doing, personally I would rather you all bare chested rather than a male with man boobs bare chested. lol.
Women are not going topless to gain your approval as pretty objects. Your opinion has been noted and tossed into the wastebin.
It’s always good to get the police to turn around and leave you alone. Congrats.
Sheesh. Good for you, and enjoy this longest day of the year. Joyous MidSummer. Now, at the height of the sun, it’s time to celebrate our accomplishments, our courage, and to commit ourselves to great new achievements in the coming year!
This is neither relevant nor appropriate.
Covering the breast as a convention surely originated as a symbol of status. Slaves and the poor peons went about essentially naked, the wealthy and The Powerful were clothed. and the more clothes they could afford the more they wore. In the 20th century there’s been some relaxation of this cultural Norm but it’s far from erased. I believe that’s the real convention that you all are breaking and bourgeois folks do not like it.Citizen complaints are Like Oxygen to the police officer. It’s a call, a raison d’etre, and so often it leads to that most important of job performance statistics… an arrest. The thing about most police officers is that they really do try to serve the respectable burghers of their town and enforce not only the law but the norms. I know because my hobby has often brought me into slight conflict with the norm or with convention or with local usage even though I am well within the law. Not unlike going topless in a public park. Someone calls a cop they come and they either say oh I see you’re fine keep doing what you’re doing or they tell me what I’m doing is legal but would I please not do it there because it’s upsetting a neighbor. I always comply immediately with their request because I know they serve the neighbor and not me, and frankly I don’t need a problem with the neighbor either. But, going topless in a public park is an important right for women. Keep doing it until it’s the new norm, and we’ll all be better for it.
Thank you ladies for another great story. It made me smile. It shows what preparation, politeness and being steadfast can achieve. More power to you.
I’ve cross posted this article into British Naturism’s web site to spread the joy. Hope you get extra hits from across the pond.
At one of the starts for the London WNBR this year, a similar number of bemused police turned up to see why quite a few nude people were congregating. Not only is nudity not illegal in public, the ride was cleared with police under the special anti-terrorism legislation that is in force near Parliament where the ride passes. Just like the top-less people in NY, people were on hand to show the police the law they are supposed to know. After a while, they relaxed, smiled and even seemed to enjoy what they saw, people simply being harmless, peaceful people.
It won’t be a true victory until every person in NYC knows this is the law and every cop does too, so that as a woman walks down the street topless or walks through a park topless no one bats an eye, not even the cop who just walked by…
Why, in the 21st Century are people so disturbed by naked breasts? Lets face it, those people that are, are pretty weak. Naked breasts don’t disturb infants… A good job too, so why does it disturb adults?. I am unable to fathom these people out…… Pathetic